Tragedi MH17 V4 : Kemungkinan MH17 ditembak jet pejuang Sukhoi?

melia_star

from Newsweeks.com....sorry kalu da ada...aku baru baca pagi ni....

‘We Shot Down MH17,’ Says Pro-Russian Soldier
By Damien Sharkov
Filed: 7/23/14 at 6:24 AM  | Updated: 7/23/14 at 7:20 AM
  

A pro-Russian militant has admitted his unit shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, Italian Newspaper Corriere della Sera has reported. The interview confirms pro-Russian forces mistook the passenger plane for a military one and were told to prepare to engage pro-Ukraine soldiers on the ground.

“‘We’ve just shot down one of the Kiev Fascists’ planes’, they told us, warning us to take care because at least some of the crew had reportedly baled out,” the source told Corriere della Sera, at the Torez railway station, at which the bodies of the plane crash victims were held before departing for Khakiv, Ukraine.

“My men and I were looking for parachutes on the ground and in the trees.”


“Underneath I found the body of a little girl, who can’t have been more than five. She was lying face down. It was awful. That was when I realised it was a civilian plane. Not a military one."

The separatist source is a 31-year-old soldier in the Oplot paramilitary unit, the Italian newspaper said, which has been tasked with guarding the crash site ever since the plane was brought down on 17 July.

Today’s reports from Torez come five days after separatist leader Igor Girkin initially claimed responsibility for bringing MH17 down on social media, believing it to be a Ukrainian fighter jet.

“In the vicinity of Torez, we just downed a plane, an AN-26. It is lying somewhere in the Progress Mine. We have issued warnings not to fly in our airspace,” he posted on Russia’s most popular social networking site. The post was deleted shortly after.

The following day further evidence emerged that separatist forces were behind the downing of MH17 as Ukrainian Security Forces released what they claim to be an intercepted recording of two separatist militants admitting to shooting down a civilian plane.

Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam was brought down outside Donetsk on 17 July, carrying mostly Dutch nationals. All 298 passengers have been confirmed dead, with the bodies yet to be returned to their families.

The first flight carrying remains from the 298 is expected to arrive in the Netherlands this morning

scorpionkiki

ejans posted on 24-7-2014 10:36 AM
Aku lg suka mayat2 tuh sampai srlepas 2 3 hari lepas raya.
Kalau ssmpai sehari sebelom raya. Pada h ...

Nanti seumur hidup raya rasa sedih...

biggirlduncry

keluarga Mohd Ali tu ke Amsterdam kan... 4sekeluarga + 1 kwn baik arwah
aku doakan depa pun jgn kalut2 kalau apa yg diharap tak dapat..

aku tak berapa setuju tindakan depa ke sana, tapi ye lah... hak depa.
aku doakan urusan depa dipermudahkan

juliez

biggirlduncry posted on 24-7-2014 10:29 AM
aku harap family2 kat msia jgn bersedih menambah kekusutan bila mayat2 mangsa tak dapat
di bawa bal ...

Mayat tak dpt bawa balik sebelum raya satu hal

Mayat not among the 200 retrieved bodies tu pun satu hal juga

biggirlduncry

juliez posted on 24-7-2014 10:40 AM
Mayat tak dpt bawa balik sebelum raya satu hal

Mayat not among the 200 retrieved bodies tu pu ...

ya betul tu... aku ni rasa dada nak pecah jer.... aku doa hari2 moga kita jumpa semua bodies...
aku letak diri aku kat tempat mereka, aku tak leh nak bayang waktu menungu di Sepang..
kluarga A terima dah mayat, keluarga B terima jugak mayat..
tiba turn aku... zero.... Allahu akbar...

Allah...kasihani la kami... limpahkan lah rahmatMu...

melia_star

Jika benar cerita askar Pro-russia tu, boleh ker digunapakai sbg witness? Entah2 nanti tarik balik statement dia. Rasanya bukti pd rangka kapalterbang saja yg boleh diterima kot. Tapi sebahagian rangka kplterbang dah dipindahkan sesuka hati dan ada dakwaan kata ada cubaan menghapuskan bukti. Jadi mana nak dapat keputusan yg tepat. Jika benar, patutlah puak pemisah ni serah mayat dan blackbox tanpa syarat langsung. Yer nampak mcm baik dan ikhlas sgt tp ada maksud tersirat.

cak!

graxier06 posted on 24-7-2014 10:26 AM
untuk maklumat snua yg perarakan sukan komanwel yg pki baju FA MAS adalah player hoki..
ni fb astro ...

rtm hada live pembukaan dok iklan

alisyadania

KUALA LUMPUR: “Pegawai kami memberitahu bahawa kami menembak sebuah pesawat Kiev. Kami ingatkan kami mencari juruterbang Ukraine yang dikatakan sempat menyelamatkan diri, tetapi kami menemui mayat-mayat orang awam.”

Itu pengakuan yang dibuat oleh seorang anggota militan pro-Rusia dari unit kombat Oplot kepada akhbar Itali Corriere della Sera pada Rabu.

Menurut laporan portal tersebut, mereka menerima arahan untuk bergegas ke sebuah lokasi menggunakan sebuah lori dipenuhi muatan senjata dan peluru sejurus selepas satu letupan kedengaran di udara.

Mereka diberitahu bahawa pasukan mereka telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat milik puak fasis Kiev.

“Objek-objek putih kelihatan berterbangan di udara. Kami mungkin perlu bertempur untuk mengumpulkan objek-objek terbabit.” ujar anggota Oplot terbabit yang enggan mendedahkan namanya serta nama sekutunya.

Dia turut memberitahu bahawa ketika mereka mencari payung terjun di tanah dan pokok, dia menemui mayat seorang kanak-kanak perempuan yang berusia tidak lebih dari lima tahun.

“Mayat itu tertiarap. Ia sangat mengerikan. Itulah ketikanya saya sedari bahawa pesawat yang ditembak itu ialah sebuah pesawat komersial dan bukan pesawat tentera.

Semua mangsa ialah orang awam. Beberapa beg pakaian mengesahkan jangkaan saya.” tambahnya.

Unit Oplot ini telah berada di lokasi nahas sejak tragedi itu berlaku.

Menurut portal Corriere della Sera, mereka bagaimanapun tidak menunjukkan rasa bersalah apabila mengeluarkan kenyataan bahawa bukan mereka sahaja yang menembak jatuh pesawat terbabit serta tidak mempunyai senjata yang mampu mencapai ketinggian pesawat itu.

“Jenayah ini dilakukan oleh penjahat yang menerima arahan daripada kerajaan Kiev. Salah seorang pejuang mereka mungkin menembak jatuh MH17,” kata mereka.

Pengkuan ini dibuat selepas lima hari pemimpin puak pemisah pro-Rusia Igor Girkin memuat naik di laman sosial bahawa mereka terlibat dengan nahas terbabit dan mereka yang menembak jatuh pesawat malang itu.

Muat naiknya berbunyi: “Kami telah menembak jatuh sebuah AN-26, ia kini berada di sekitar ‘Progress’. Kami telah memberi amaran kepada kamu – jangan terbang di ‘ruang udara kami’.  Ini video pengesahan ‘kejatuhan burung’ itu.”

Muat naik itu bagaimanapun dipadam setelah pesawat yang ditembak jatuh itu merupakan sebuah pesawat komersial yang dinaiki orang awam.


Read more at: http://www.astroawani.com/news/s ... angan-mh17-40584?cp

atira

melia_star posted on 24-7-2014 10:50 AM
Jika benar cerita askar Pro-russia tu, boleh ker digunapakai sbg witness? Entah2 nanti tarik balik s ...

hapuskan bukti apa ye?

amansihat

i nak tanya apa siknifikannnya kalau mayat nak bawak sebelum raya atau selepas raya?sebab nak kebumi cepat-cepat ke?atau nak bersama sambut aidilfitri atau nak tatap muka kali terakhir.maaf ye kalau saya menyinggung perasaan waris.saya harap waris tak terburru -buru nak bawak jenazah balik .ingat banyak benda nak buat.matching dna.kalau tak jumpa nak cari sample gigi atau serpihan yg reput.benda ni penting untuk saman kerajaan ukraine atau,russia untuk kemudian hari.janagn ikut perasaan dan terburu-buru.benda ni penting untuk dapat surat mati,esok lusa nak tuntut faraid,kereta loan,rumah,insuran nyawa,general insuran,epf dan macam macam lagi.biarlah kerajaan belanda buat kerja sunggug-sungguh dan teliti demi kebaikan waris .kalau takut roh tak senang di alam barzah,kita doakan je lah selawat dan bacaan yasiin supaya tenang.Allah maha mengetahui.urusan akhirat penting.tapi lebih penting untuk dapatkan keadilan untuk waris yg hidup.jangan suka terburu-buru.pengalaman saya yg pernah beruusan pengecaman mayat,dna,dan juga urusan insuran,faraid,dan bank loan bagi pihak adik yg mati kemalangan.

melia_star

atira posted on 24-7-2014 10:55 AM
hapuskan bukti apa ye?

From News.com.au

FORENSIC experts have shed light on how the MH17 crash site will be searched after News Corp witnessed what has been really going on, as locals tamper with evidence.

Despite what’s been left behind, looted or destroyed, Australian disaster experts are fully braced for the investigative nightmare which awaits.

But News Corp Australia can report the area, in eastern Ukraine, remains littered with personal effects and important flight log books and passports of those aboard the doomed flight.

And, in a shocking example of evidence tampering, local emergency workers have been seen using angle grinders to cut up parts of the cockpit and front fuselage section of the Boeing 777 Aircraft.

Later they used their van with a steel cable on a tow bar to drag the jet apart, unwittingly destroying potentially vital evidence.

A bulldozer was also spotted at the crash site.

MH17 DISASTER: Who pulled the trigger on the missile?

CRASH SCENE: Body parts still on the ground where the plane went down

Destroying evidence3 ... local emergency workers angle grind into the remains of the cockpit of MH17 with suspicion of a body below in the village of Rassypnoye. Picture: Ella Pellegrini Source: News Corp Australia

The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said body parts still lay scattered at the crash sites.

“There were human remains that had not been picked up,” OSCE spokesman Michael Bociurkiw said.

“What struck us is that we did not monitor any recovery activity in place,” he said, pointing out that OSCE observers saw human remains in at least two areas at the sprawling crash site in rebel-held territory.

Five days after MH17 was shot down with 298 people on board, Malaysian and Dutch investigators joined the OECD observers in pouring over the disaster zone.

Total mess .... local emergency workers angle grind into the remains of the cockpit of MH17 with suspicion of a body below in the village of Rassypnoye. Picture: Ella Pellegrini Source: News Corp Australia

But only three officials were permitted to enter at any given time.

Time is of the absolute essence as amid the stifling heat, rain has fallen in recent days, compromising the integrity of belongings still scattered over the fields.

scorpionkiki

melia_star posted on 24-7-2014 11:06 AM
From News.com.au

News corp Murdoch punya....tahap pembohong Zionist  setinggi petals langit

scorpionkiki

alisyadania posted on 24-7-2014 10:54 AM
KUALA LUMPUR: “Pegawai kami memberitahu bahawa kami menembak sebuah pesawat Kiev. Kami ingatkan kam ...

Temberangla Ukraine selagi boleh. Flightradar dah tunjuk yg air India dekat mh17 dan air India pun mengaku...ukrain pulak Kata Tak...kenapa nak menipu kalau Tak bersalah

akusukaq

Hessa posted on 24-7-2014 10:32 AM
lorhhh..dia mmg tak tau la apa warna kotak hitam kekdahnya terus mengkomplen?...
mcm komen i ...

Si Asrul ni otak atas sikit dr Rafizi Pondan tu . Apa pun nak politaikan. Mmamg korang lebeh busuk dr taik.

biggirlduncry

amansihat posted on 24-7-2014 10:57 AM
i nak tanya apa siknifikannnya kalau mayat nak bawak sebelum raya atau selepas raya?sebab nak kebumi ...

tak semua orang faham, beb...
tu pasal.. ahli2 kluarga lain kena main peranan la, terangkan elok2 kdg2 org tua, emosi tu tak stabil..
terangkan ni bukan kematian biasa, semua benda nak kena ambik kira..
tunggu lama sikit pun tak apa, utk memudahkan segala urusan berkaitan esok lusa

amy26

pittjie posted on 23-7-2014 04:57 PM
seperatist tu bagi kat wartawan malaysia kan kad tu. dia mintak wartawan tu hantar to the adressee ...

Kat mana tengok yang seperatist tu suh wartawan kasi kad tu... kesiannyer

atira

melia_star posted on 24-7-2014 11:06 AM
From News.com.au

mereka klem.. mereka dah tunggu pasukan penyelamat antarabangsa datang lama... tak datang2...

melia_star

scorpionkiki posted on 24-7-2014 11:27 AM
News corp Murdoch punya....tahap pembohong Zionist  setinggi petals langit

x kisahlah...kita tgk dan kaji dr kedua2 belah pihak....kita kan neutral....tunggu ajerla saper yg bersalah sebenarnya....aku tak kata aku sokong sgt Ukraine tuh..

Peterpan17

melia_star posted on 24-7-2014 11:06 AM
From News.com.au

ari tu pun depa kata puak pemisah tamper black box. Tp semalam bila pihak berkuasa yg dpt blackbox ni confirmkan takde unsur2 tamper dekat blackbox tak pula yg menuduh tu malu nak mengaku salah. Dah perangai bangsat yahudi & sekongokol dgn dia. Mana depa nak mengaku salah.

melia_star

atira posted on 24-7-2014 11:42 AM
mereka klem.. mereka dah tunggu pasukan penyelamat antarabangsa datang lama... tak datang2...


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tak taulah pihak Ukraine ke atau pemisah ni yg ckp bohong...saper yg sekat pihak penyiasat antarabangsa masuk ke kawasan bencana sebenarnya...kita dengar dan lihat ajerla dulu kesudahannya....