x kisah la data tu bukak di mana asalkan investigator kita ada. kotak hitam bkn senang nk emper as long as ada pihak kita monitor should be ok. sbb kotak hitam ni hak kita bila2 kita boleh verify data. klu damage x byk should not be an issue mana2 lab blh retrieve data (semua data ni numerical sampling point...ADC conversion) malas la aku nak komen psl ada ckp klu bwk balik Malaysia nak bukak dengan apa look down abis. ada org kat Malaysia ada lab sendiri & buat sendiri system nk baca blackbox ni. even if hantar ke luar pas dapat semua point2 tu bila2 je kita boleh run data tu dimana2 guna certain applikasi.
sbb undang2 kena buka segera so kena lah bukak segera
The objective, they said, was to offload the bodies as soon as possible, and to transfer them to Dutch military aircraft waiting at the local airport.
Fairfax understands the transfer of bodies from the train to the plane in Kharkiv could turn out to be a long process, due to the condition of the bodies and the care needed to maintain their integrity, put them through a security scan and pack them properly for the flight to the Netherlands.
Several Malaysian officials were travelling on the train, with the black boxes, and others were making the precarious five-hour road trip through rebel-held territory to reach Kharkiv.
It is not clear if Malaysian officials who opted to shadow the train by driving fully appreciated what they were in for. The road is a nightmare and, driven at night, is a dangerous mix of testing rebel checkpoints and infrastructure that has, well it has disappeared.
The path leading out of Donetsk at midnight was a succession of checkpoints, all of which were in darkness and all of which required that this reporter's driver, Dima, approached them with all lights off. We have to drive a circuitous additional 25 kilometres merely to clear the city and, on rounding a critical turn, we found the way blocked by an overpass that had been bombed and collapsed onto the road beneath it.
As we approached the city of Slaviansk, two weeks ago a rebel stronghold, the road was repeatedly cratered and littered with the debris of war. The Ukrainian national army has retaken the city, but the approach was a mess - and in the darkness it could be lethal.
North of the city we were literally within centimetres of becoming airborne, as the road rising ahead of us simply disappeared.
What had been a bridge, high above an intersecting road, had been bombed by rebels to block the advance of the national army. In an uncanny, reflexive action, Dima hit the brakes and we alighted to find the front wheel of the tyre 10 centimetres from the edge of the precipice.
Thirty minutes further up the road we passed the last of the rebel checkpoints, and thereafter encountered only units of the Ukraine national army which also prefer to sit in the darkness.
FanTasyCreaTioN posted on 23-7-2014 02:59 AM
ha`ah .. betul tu
sekurang2 nya tiada pihak yang boleh menunding jari menuduh negara kita tidak m ...
yup fantasy. cuma org yg buta hati je la nak provoke mcm org2 Malaysia ni cendol sangat bab2 retrieve data ni sampai kena melutut jugak dengan mat saleh
Although the bodies were placed in a refrigerator train, the Dutch victim identification team was told that the refrigeration units had broken down during a power cut on Sunday, reports The Times.
"Investigators wore face masks and bowed their heads before entering the trucks, which emitted an overwhelming stench," says the newspaper.
The train later arrived in Donetsk but was temporarily held up in the wake of heavy fighting around the city's railway station.
The black boxes have been handed over to Malaysian officials, who said the recorders were "in good condition". Experts hope they will reveal the exact time of the incident, the altitude of the plane and its precise position, as well as recordings from the cockpit.
Families of British victims have been urgently cancelling credit cards and mobile phone accounts amid claims that the bodies were "looted", the Daily Telegraph reported last night. Witnesses claimed separatists had been pocketing valuables and electronic equipment from the site.
Rebel commander Alexander Borodai admitted that items might have been stolen and promised to punish the offenders. "Sons of bitches can be found everywhere," he told reporters. "We are now investigating. Those who are guilty would be severely punished."
lambat lg nak tau hasil analisis drpd flight recorder nih
It will likely take weeks for black box data analysis to complete in tandem with examination of the wreckage, the Guardian’s Peter Walker (@peterwalker99) writes in a a report the work British investigators face in Farnborough later this week.
The voice recorder carries two hours of cockpit audio recording. Analysts looking into crashes will examine not just what the pilot and co-pilot say but also any telltale clicks as instruments are engaged, as well as possible sounds of an explosion. On the assumption that MH17 was hit by a missile it seems unlikely the pilots’ actions played any role, but everything must be analysed.
The data recorder collects an entire flight’s worth of information from dozens of sensors.
MH17’s recorders were in the hands of pro-Russia rebels before they were handed to Malaysian investigators. Experts say it would be extremely difficult to tamper with the data, and the memory cards used in the recorders have serial numbers matched to those on the recorders so they cannot be secretly substituted.
U.S. ADMITS ITS MH17 ‘EVIDENCE’ IS BASED ON YOUTUBE CLIPS & SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS
AP journalist challenges State Department spokesperson on official narrative
by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | JULY 22, 2014
In a testy exchange between AP reporter Matt Lee and U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf, Lee virtually corners Harf into admitting that the “evidence” presented by the U.S. to blame Russian-backed rebels for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 amounts to nothing more than YouTube videos and social media posts.
Lee begins by asking Harf how the U.S. plans to produce “forensic evidence” proving Russian-backed rebels were behind the attack, to which Hard responds by reeling off talking points before stating, “we know, we saw in social media afterwards….of the pro-Russian separatists bragging about shooting down an aircraft.”
“How is it exactly that you know it was fired from separatist held territory?” asks Lee, to which Harf responds that the evidence is based on “communications posted on YouTube by the Ukrainian government.”
“Is there anything other….than social media?” asks Lee. Harf alludes to an “assessment,” before again reeling off talking points (based on social media and YouTube videos) that blame separatist rebels.
“All you’re willing to present publicly that backs up your version of the story, which may well be the correct version of the story,” states Lee before being interrupted by Harf who sardonically retorts, “may well be.”
“I haven’t seen your evidence that shows that the missile was launched from rebel held territory,” continues Lee. “The only thing you’re willing to put out publicly is the social media accounts,” he adds, before citing other social media accounts that dispute the State Department’s version of events.
Harf asserts that any version of events that challenges the State Department’s version (based again on social media posts) is “illogical.” Lee states that the State Department’s evidence would not stand up to an international investigation.
“The Russians have said we’ve put out our radar images which show this Ukrainian plane near at least….why don’t you put out your…,” states Lee before again being interrupted by Harf.
Credit must be given to Matt Lee for doing his job and challenging Harf given that any questioning of the official narrative behind the MH17 shoot down, backed up as it is by the flimsiest of “evidence,” has been demonized as “Russian propaganda,” just as skepticism towards last year’s chemical weapons attack in Syria, which an MIT study later concluded was likely not launched by government forces, was derided as “Assad propaganda.”
Despite the State Department’s insistence that YouTube clips and social media posts can be considered as hard evidence, even the veracity of that material has attracted intense skepticism.
Harf’s mention of social media posts which show rebels “bragging” about bringing down the airliner is likely a reference to a post on the Russian version of Facebook shortly after MH17 was shot down by Ukrainian rebel commander Igor Strelkov. However, as Max Fisher documents, “There are real reasons to doubt that the message was genuine.”
First of all Strelkov’s page “is a fake made by fans,” according to rebels who spoke to Buzzfeed’s Max Seddon, so the words cannot even be attributed to the commander. In addition, the post makes reference to the shoot down not of a civilian airliner but to an Antonov AN-26 military transport plane.
“This casts a bit further doubt on the idea that people fired on the airplane and then posted on VK about it; if someone fired on the plane they likely would have noticed it was a large jet and not a small-ish prop plane,” writes Fisher.
Video of a Buk missile launcher apparently crossing the border back to Russia after the plane was shot down which was cited by Kiev and Washington has also since been debunked. The clip is actually shot in the Ukrainian of town of Krasnoarmeisk, which has been controlled by Kiev since May.
According to audio experts who conducted a forensic analysis, a YouTube video of a conversation between a separatist leader and a Russian military commander which purported to show rebels accepting responsibility for shooting down the airliner is in fact a fabrication.
While Russia has presented actual radar and satellite evidence to back up its contention that Ukrainian fighter jets were following the doomed airliner shortly before the incident, the sum of Kiev and Washington’s proof that separatists were to blame for the shoot down amounts to little more than highly questionable YouTube videos and social media posts.
Kiev has also failed to release air traffic control recordings, which were seized immediately by Ukrainian security forces, which could offer a crucial insight into what was happening in the skies immediately prior to the aircraft being shot down.
While any questioning of the narrative behind the incident has been dismissed by the establishment media as “Russian propaganda,” Russia is the only party to have actually presented anything which could be considered real evidence, whereas Washington and Kiev are still reliant on the sort of proof that would only satisfy the sloppiest of Internet conspiracy theorists.
Russia Today, the news outlet owned and run by the Russian government faces an investigation in the UK over its MH17 coverage, Buzzfeed’s Jim Waterson reports.
The British regulatory body tasked with ensuring “broadly impartial news coverage” to channels with a UK license “said it was considering whether to investigate Russia Today following complaints from viewers about the tone of its coverage of the Malaysia Airlines disaster.”
Various Russian print outlets, meanwhile, are circulating arguments that the Ukrainian military shot down MH17, and that if rebels did shoot down the plane, Kiev would still bear “legal responsibility”, according to Tom Balforth in RFE/RL, a part of the Guardian’s New East Network.
Balforth presents excerpts and summaries of articles and editorials in the Moscow Komsomolets, the Independent Daily and the Komsomol Truth. You can read his article here.
mcm paper yg cakap di atas. mereka juga kena pastikan pilot & co-pilot ni mmg go through check-list untuk take-off and cruising nak make sure x de apa2 kesilapan (sometimes kalau kita tgk air crash..kemalangan tu mungkin terjadi tp tak seteruk apa dijangka jika tiada faktor2 lain). jadi semua benda investigator akan tengok. so diaorg kena dengar bunyi2 tertentu bila setiap komponen tu dipicit ke, spoiler di arm ke mcm mana.
nak buat tu biasanya mereka kena guna filter. speech range biasa dalam lingkungan 500 Hz to 4000 Hz..kalau bunyi click ni biasanya high frequency antara 3k hz ke atas. mungkin mereka akan filter speech & environmental noise untuk pastikan mereka dapat dengar bunyi yg didengar. bila nak dengar speech sahaja, mereka mungkin juga kena filter bunyi2 lain nak pastikan signal tu jelas. ni mcm main main 'bass' and treble bila kita dengar music. basically nak analyse cockpit voice recorder ni ambik masa. kena transcribe & dengar. mereka juga mungkin ada behavioral analysis unit nak analyse setiap kata2 captain & co-pilot.
Post time 23-7-2014 04:14 AMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
aurora273 posted on 23-7-2014 04:11 AM
Tu sbb kena buat kat UK & ada wakil kita, dutch, dll yg sepatutnya terlibat.
mustahil nak angk ...
Facilities Ada di uk dan France....kalau hantar ke France rasa lebih sedap hati sikit. Tp kalau Malaysia Tak setuju suggestion dutch ni....nampak sangatlah kita Tak Caya UK....
Masa dia buka, playbbalik nanti, semua wakil yg terlibat ada. Masa dia play fdr, nampak segala bacaan... So, jgn risau. Bukan nak buka kotak hitam, download masuk computer, nak editing dulu... Semua ready utk plug&play jah...
johnazizul posted on 23-7-2014 04:15 AM
Masa dia buka, playbbalik nanti, semua wakil yg terlibat ada. Masa dia play fdr, nampak segala bacaa ...
yup...bila dapat tu diaorg akan seal kotak hitam. bila bukak tu pun semua investigator & wakil2 ada. bila retrieve data pun semua wakil ada. cam saya kata should not be an issue nak bukak di mana. saya emphasize bila org kata kita takde equipment untuk semua benda tu. equipment ni ada yg commercialized dan ada custom-made. kita bukan teruk sangat sampai takde facility untuk tu cuma yg kita kurang pengalaman sahaja sbb jarang air accident berlaku di Malaysia berbanding negara2 maju yg banyak planes
Post time 23-7-2014 04:42 AMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
johnazizul posted on 23-7-2014 04:15 AM
Masa dia buka, playbbalik nanti, semua wakil yg terlibat ada. Masa dia play fdr, nampak segala bacaa ...
Yup. Apa yg aku nk tekankan di sini ialah ketelusan dlm proses retrieve data blackbox tu coz masing2 pihak sedang tuduh menuduh. X nk la ada yg manipulate proses tersebut.
sbb yg sedang menanggung liability skrg ni ialah najib, 6 org pegawai kita tu dan kerajaan malaysia.....
Post time 23-7-2014 02:54 AM
look down abis. ada org kat Malaysia ada lab sendiri & buat sendiri system nk baca blackbox ni. even if hantar ke luar pas dapat semua point2 tu bila2 je kita boleh run data tu dimana2 guna certain applikasi.
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