Tragedi MH17 V4 : Kemungkinan MH17 ditembak jet pejuang Sukhoi?

Peterpan17

benzo33 posted on 24-7-2014 08:10 AM
MH17 akan menjadi salah satu sejarah hitam dalam dunia penerbangan awam. Aku masih mengharapkan agar ...

Semalam tgk ka daily UK punya link dah bunyi2 salahkan pilot. Bangang punya paper. Yg dulu MH370 pilot juga di salahkan. Takkan pilot tu bodoh nak tempah maut sengaja msk kawasan perang unless someone divert plane tu

tapibukanaku

d'zeck posted on 24-7-2014 09:52 AM
tu la

antara kerosakan yang dibawa akibat

kerosakan yg kekal dan susah utk diperbaiki

Peterpan17

azrain98 posted on 24-7-2014 10:01 AM
pagi tdi tngok opening commonwealth ada crew MAS berarak sekali dgn team malaysia

Bukan crew tp atlit yg pakai uniform MAS

azrain98

camflo03 posted on 24-7-2014 09:22 AM
ni perarakan apa ni? kat mana?

commonwealth games dkt glasgow scotland

scorpionkiki

azrain98 posted on 24-7-2014 10:00 AM
sorang forumer di ssc salah sorang mangsa mh17

Siapa..... I baru landed...rasa sayu sangat di airportni

azrain98

d'zeck posted on 24-7-2014 09:26 AM
tu kejohanan sukan
sekolah2 jenis kebangsaan
kat jinjang

jahat hang ni ....

d'zeck

juliez posted on 24-7-2014 09:56 AM
Atlit Pakai uniform mas jer kak

itu kejutan hasil ilham
KJ

crew penerbangan MAS dipelawa
menyertai kontinjen atlet negara
sebagai mengenang insiden MH17

atira

Air India flight was 90 seconds away when missile struck Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
Manju V, TNN | Jul 20, 2014, 01.40AM IST






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A pro-Russian rebel checking the debris of the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine before international inspectors visited the site. (Reuters photo)


MUMBAI: The ministry of civil aviation's claim that there was no Air India flight near the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 when it was shot down over Ukraine on Thursday appears misleading.

An Air India Dreamliner flight going from Delhi to Birmingham was in fact less than 25km away from the Malaysian aircraft, a distance covered by a Dreamliner or Boeing 777 in about 90 seconds, when the latter was hit. Because of this closeness, the Dnipropetrovsk (local Ukrainian) air traffic controller asked the AI pilots to try and establish contact with pilots of the Malaysian aircraft who had stopped responding to its calls.

Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called "a direct routing". This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based navigation aid or way point to another. "Direct routing saves fuel and time and is preferred by pilots. In this case, it proved fatal," said an airline source.

"The AI Dreamliner was less than 25km away from the Malaysian aircraft when the latter was hit by a missile. When the pilots learnt the cause of the crash later, they were stunned. It's like the person standing next to you has been hit by a sniper bullet," said the source.


An Air India Boeing 787 Dreamliner. (TOI file photo)

As instructed by the controller, the AI pilots tried to contact the Boeing 777 after its transponder display went off the radar. The message they sent was: "Malaysian 17, this is Air India 113. How do you read?" There was, of course, no response.

Soon after the tragedy, the media picked up data from flightradar24, a live flight tracker website which showed the AI aircraft in the vicinity. But the next day, on Friday, the civil aviation ministry issued a statement that "there was no Air India flight near the ill-fated Malaysian plane at the time of the incident".



The Ukrainian airspace is divided into five flight information regions: Kiev, Lviv, Dnipropetrovsk, Odessa and Simferopol. MH17 was in the Dnipropetrovsk airspace flying an east-bound track on 33,000feet and the AI Delhi-Birmingham flight was on a west-bound route and had entered Ukraine after crossing Russia when the AI pilots heard the Dnipropetrovsk controller give the Malaysian aircraft a direct routing.

Barely minutes later, the AI pilots heard the controller trying to establish contact with the Malaysian aircraft. When no response came from the Malaysian crew, the controller asked the AI pilots to try. It is standard practice for air traffic controllers to ask pilots of aircraft in the vicinity to get in touch with pilots who have stopped responding.


A part of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 that crashed after being hit by a missile in eastern Ukraine. (Reuters photo)

In order to communicate, pilots and controllers tune in to one particular radio frequency, and all the conversation that takes place on that wavelength can be heard by all the aircraft who are tuned in to this frequency. So the pilots can hear each other as well as the instructions given by the controller to all the aircraft in a particular flight information region.

Other than this particular radio frequency on which pilots can communicate with controllers and other pilots, there is another radio set in the cockpit which is always tuned to 121.5MHz, known as the emergency frequency.

The pilots would try to contact the non-responding crew on this frequency too, but more importantly, it is on this frequency that they would get to hear the signature distress beep tone emitted by an emergency locator transmitter of an aircraft soon after it has crashed.

azrain98

Peterpan17 posted on 24-7-2014 10:02 AM
Bukan crew tp atlit yg pakai uniform MAS

oh i see ingt betul2 crew MAS

atira

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... leshow/38702536.cms

azrain98

scorpionkiki posted on 24-7-2014 10:03 AM
Siapa..... I baru landed...rasa sayu sangat di airportni

you ada akaun ke kat forum ssc? forumer ni org dutch jgk...

atira

Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called "a direct routing".

mmg AI pilot dgr ye?
mereka boleh jadi saksi?

juliez

d'zeck posted on 24-7-2014 10:03 AM
itu kejutan hasil ilham
KJ

Itu bukan crew. At least yg perempuan tu confirm bukan crew. Crew takdenyan rambut terbiar mengerbang macam tu. And for the fs, i tak nmpk sangat muka sebab tak close up. So tak boleh nak confirm itu crew or just atlit lelaki yg berpakaian crew.

d'zeck

tapibukanaku posted on 24-7-2014 10:01 AM
kerosakan yg kekal dan susah utk diperbaiki

boleh dibaiki

bila pimpinan kaki bangkang yang bodoh jatuh
dan sebenar2 pemimpin kekal sebagai teraju,

perkara2 yang benar dan baik
tetap akan terserlah

d'zeck

juliez posted on 24-7-2014 10:06 AM
Itu bukan crew. At least yg perempuan tu confirm bukan crew. Crew takdenyan rambut terbiar men ...

then pinjam baju crew ka tempah
baju kat scotland ka

tapibukanaku

Innrukia posted on 24-7-2014 09:57 AM
hanya mampu gelak dgn komen manusia nan sorang ni....
cerdik la sangat

tau tak pe.

idril

sebak tengok bendera dikibar separuh camnih    ...... those family yg involved camna la perasaan mereka......

juliez

atira posted on 24-7-2014 10:06 AM
Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller giv ...

Yea mmg mereka dgr atc comm dgn mh17. Masa mula2 byk gak paper luar highlight pasal benda ni. But later senyap mcm tu jer. And until now air india mmg onneutral side tak nak blame siapa2. Tapi paper luar ckp gov india neutral sebab relationship baik dgn rusia.

If eukraine betul2 nak tolong, patutnya awal2 lg dia dah keluarkan atc comm. So at least kita boleh tahu la juga betul ker atc ada bg direct routing or not. Until now after 6days takde pun lg. Time mh370 dulu sikit pny pressure suruh kita reveal atc comm.

correct me if im wrong, but rasanya posting capt kelana ada ckp sebab direct routing ni atc dah bg mh17 masuk ke dlm kwsn rebels tu.

kelana36

atira posted on 24-7-2014 06:06 AM
Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller giv ...

semua tu recorded dalam MH17 blackbox and also at the ATC tower.

juliez

d'zeck posted on 24-7-2014 10:10 AM
then pinjam baju crew ka tempah
baju kat scotland ka

Pinjam pun boleh. Mas ada 2x daily flight ke london. Anytime boleh angkut uniform ke sana